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posted on 9-9-2006 at 12:22 PM
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Just Say It, "BUSH LIED!"
FINALLY! We’ve all waited 4 years to see a good report on what happened to Saddam’s WMD, and yesterday the last investigative report was released by
the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The only problem is…I searched the entire 400 pages of this “Phase II report” (or rather both reports
that make up the Phase II report), and I couldn’t find those two words: “Bush lied.” I can’t even find, “Bush mislead” in the 400 pages. What I did
find was 400 pages of evidence showing that the intelligence community used small amounts of weak intelligence from a decrepit litany of agencies, and
then poorly communicated that to policy makers (Bush Admin, Democrats who ran the Senate, and Republicans who ran the House).
I searched the British Butler Report and their Hutton inquiry, and neither stated that President Bush lied or mislead anyone. Australian Parliamentary
investigations (bi-partisan and independent) failed to say President Bush lied or mislead anyone. The Independent and bi-partisan WMD Commission
didn’t say it either. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s “Phase I” report didn’t say the President lied or mislead either. In reading and
re-reading all of the thousands of pages in these bi-partisan reports, I have never once seen the words, “President Bush lied” or “President Bush
mislead.” I’ve never seen, “President Bush pressured analysts” or “President Bush manipulated intelligence.” Never once did I see even evidence of
that. Instead, all these reports say one thing, and it’s the same thing that the 21 investigations (including the independent 911 Commission) all
stated clearly. They all point the finger at small amounts of weak and bad intelligence reporting from decrepit, poorly lead, under-funded
intelligence agencies.
Two months before the midterm elections-elections that are pivotal to America’s fate-these new reports are just politics. There’s nothing new.
Democrats can dance as much as they can, but they promoted war on Saddam from 1990-2002, they KNEW the intelligence for that entire period, most
didn’t even look at the latest classified intel before authorizing the second invasion, and they have to live with that.
The fact is, President Bush didn’t lie, pressure, manipulate, distort, or mislead anyone regarding the threat posed by Saddam. Let’s face it, the C
student who can barely manage to read a teleprompter half the time is just not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Are we really supposed to believe and
excuse Democrats who authorized the war because President George W Bush was so sly that he fooled veteran DC politicians; politicians who had been
seeing classified intelligence information on Iraq for 11years before the authorization of the second invasion? That seems to be what Sen.
Rockefeller, Sen. Levin, Sen. Kerry and others want us to believe. Can you hear the re-election speech whines, “President Bush fooled me into voting
for war by manipulating the intelligence that I never looked at before authorizing war.” Or how about, “President Bush out-smarted me by lying about
intelligence on Iraq even though I’d been looking at consistent intelligence reports for 11 years before.” If President Bush isn’t the sharpest knife
in the drawer, then are those who claim “Bush lied” mere spoons, or are they really lawyer-lawmakers with razor sharp lies and agendas of their
own?
Why believe them? Why believe politicians who go back and forth on the issue depending on the polls? Why believe lawyer politicians who are also up
for re-election, and/or are already pandering for their own 2008 Presidential bids? Why believe them when they whine, “Bush lied,” “Bush mislead,”
“Bush twicked me.”
Why not face the reality that 911 succeeded because America’s intelligence networks were hacked to the bone? Oh wait….I see. We can’t admit that
because it happened after the Soviet Union collapsed which means that we’d have to admit President Clinton and a Democrat-controlled Senate slashed
CIA budgets and others to get a budget surplus. We can’t admit that the only political appointees who have been more damaging to the United States
than FEMA’s former Director were leaders of intelligence agencies, and they were appointed by President Clinton. Doubt it? Who has more blood and
devastation on their hands: former FEMA Director Mike Brown, or former CIA Director Tenet?
People ask me all the time, “What do you think about the war?” They almost always mean the war in Iraq since it’s the political football for both
parties to play with while the war around the rest of the world is largely ignored and even denied. I tell them, “History shows that once a war is
started, someone has to be defeated. Saddam wasn’t defeated in 1991-not by his standards, and unless someone feels defeated…they’re not defeated.”
Have you ever seen a boxer give up a title because he lost on points? They always come out of retirement until they feel they’re beaten.
We may forget it, but Saddam, the Arab Street, Iraq’s neighbors, the UN, and Osama Bin Laden all believed that the US was waging war on Iraq in the
90’s. It’s why Al Queda was revived after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, and it’s why Bin Laden decided to start killing Americans. THAT is an
undeniable link between Saddam and Bin Laden. If the US had removed Saddam in 1991 then Al Queda wouldn’t have started attacking Americans, there’d
have been no 911, and there’d be no Global War on Terror today.
America’s war with Saddam had to end someday, and that meant regime change. Uprisings of Iraqis demanding democracy failed and resulted in 400,000
deaths. At least five CIA supported coups and uprisings had failed. The ISG “Duelfer Report” shows that sanctions were almost completely and
irrevocably failed. Diplomacy clearly had failed. 50+ assassination attempts on the first night of OIF failed. Four Clinton Admin air campaigns and
two sustained 11-year-long air campaigns all failed. All else failed. Another invasion really was the last resort; the inevitable last resort.
Al Queda didn’t attack the United States 5yrs ago because President George W Bush manipulated intelligence, mislead, or lied so he could invade Iraq
and line oil barons’ pockets. No. Al Queda attacked the United States because no one before George W Bush had the nerve to invade Iraq, because the US
had practiced a foreign policy of engage and retreat-uh, I mean redeploy, and their attacks succeeded because when the Soviet Union collapsed so did
support, leadership, and efficiency in America’s intelligence networks.
There is truth in history-not in the mouths of politicians pandering for their jobs or for bigger and more powerful jobs. The lesson of Pearl Harbor
was for Lady Liberty to never leave her guard down, and never ignore a belligerent’s threats. A more tactical lesson was to always strive to have the
best intelligence-not the smallest and cheapest. President Bush didn’t lie. The war in Iraq and 911 both happened largely America had sought the
smallest and cheapest and most PC intelligence networks possible, and because when Osama Bin Laden declared war on the US…he had to do it five times.
He had to level two entire zip codes before the nation really went to war with him, and the CIA assigned more than 40 people to searching for him.
America ignored those lessons in 1941 and in 2001.
“The pictures of airplanes flying into buildings, fires burning, huge structures collapsing, have filled us with disbelief, terrible sadness, and a
quiet, unyielding anger. These acts of mass murder were intended to frighten our nation into chaos and retreat.”
-Sept 11, 2001 President George W Bush
“We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward
an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, -- a new world order -- can emerge: a new era -- freer from the threat of terror,
stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace”.
-Sept 11, 1990 President Bush Sr.
"When You See a Rattlesnake Poised to Strike,
You Do Not Wait Until He Has Struck Before You Crush Him."
-Sept 11, 1941 President Franklin D Roosevelt
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Al Queda didn't decide to start killing Americans because GWB invaded Iraq,
but rather because no one else had the nerve to invade Iraq.
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 12:40 PM
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To tell the truth, I'm so tired of all the useless rhetoric about WMD. It's nothing more than a partisan "picking" point for the disengenuous
hacks who lack any other talking point to hammer on. Most of which was long before Pres. GW Bush was even a glimmer in the political spectrum. But
I'm sure the liberal "tall tale" spinners will find a way to make his blame retroactive.
All I need to know is that we have been attacked by radical muslim extremists spouting Islamofascism for decades. All the way back to 1968. There
have been volumes written and PROVED beyond the shadow of a doubt about the various attacks around the world. When are people going to get it through
their thick skulls that Islamofascism IS WMD. Who cares if it's death by a thousand cuts or one big boom. You're just as dead.
Everyone knows who dropped the ball and allowed 9/11 to happen. We also know that he will never be held accountable. So it's time to fish or cut
bait. Either admit that there is a pattern of threat from an enemy with a track record or let the liberals gain back control and give us a few more
years of "dereliction of duty" and "head in sand" politics and pretend that it's all going to somehow just go away. More hugs, that's it. We
need to give them more hugs. 
Great rant Blackrain. 
God didn't promise days without pain, laughter without sorrow, sun without rain, but HE did
promise strength for the day, comfort for the tears & light for the way. ~ Anon
“Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without
rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 01:07 PM
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We may forget it, but Saddam, the Arab Street, Iraq’s neighbors, the UN, and Osama Bin Laden all believed that the US was waging war on Iraq in the
90’s. It’s why Al Queda was revived after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, and it’s why Bin Laden decided to start killing Americans. THAT is an
undeniable link between Saddam and Bin Laden. If the US had removed Saddam in 1991 then Al Queda wouldn’t have started attacking Americans, there’d
have been no 911, and there’d be no Global War on Terror today.
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Outstanding rant, Blackrain. I'm glad to see you included the UN in that list. IMO, the is no organization on the face of the
earth, including Al Qaeda, that is more dangerous to America and yet we continue to hold it in our bosom, both metaphorically and physically. Without
the UN's involvement, the first President Bush would have gone all the way to Baghdad and kicked Saddam's butt, instead he chose to abide by the UN
mandate. Partner that with eight ineffective years of the next up to bat, President Clinton and it's no surprise we are still doing battle.
~"God saves his toughest tests for his strongest souls"~anonymous
Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are
truly endless ~ Mother Teresa
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 02:25 PM
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Rant anytime!
Loved it!
I want to be a powerful woman... To live my life so focused on Jesus Christ that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says...
"Oh crap... she's awake!"
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Towanda
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 02:31 PM
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| Quote: | | FINALLY! We’ve all waited 4 years to see a good report on what happened to Saddam’s WMD, and yesterday the last investigative
report was released by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The only problem is…I searched the entire 400 pages of this “Phase II report” (or
rather both reports that make up the Phase II report), and I couldn’t find those two words: “Bush lied.” I can’t even find, “Bush mislead” in the 400
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Yesterday, I heard my senator, Pat Roberts, being interviewed on a local radio station. He is the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He
said there was NEVER any indication or evidence that Bush lied. That was completely manufactured by people who wanted to inject doubt in the minds of
the American people, and then it grew into a HUGE DEAL for the past four years.
Later on, I saw a clip of the ranking member of the Intelligence Committee, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, droning on with his "Bush lied" mantra.
Some things never change. 
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believe lawyer politicians who are also up for re-election, and/or are already pandering for their own 2008 Presidential bids? Why believe them when
they whine, “Bush lied,” “Bush mislead,” “Bush twicked me.” |
EXCELLENT QUESTION, blackrain.
Everything they say has become questionable.
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[Edited on 9-9-2006 by Towanda]
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." ~~Edward Abbey
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid."
~~President Dwight Eisenhower~~
I can see 2012 from my house. 
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TrueBlue
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 04:08 PM
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| Quote: | | “President Bush out-smarted me by lying about intelligence on Iraq even though I’d been looking at consistent intelligence
reports for 11 years before.” If President Bush isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, then are those who claim “Bush lied” mere spoons, or are they
really lawyer-lawmakers with razor sharp lies and agendas of their own? |
Bingo. 
Showing that most of the left and the fMSM [but I repeat myself] are merely repeating what they like to believe, and cannot be trusted with nor are
they qualified for leadership.
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posted on 9-9-2006 at 05:12 PM
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I'll join the enthusiastic applause for the rant Blackrain!
The intelligence people and UN knew Saddam had WMD and had never accounted for getting rid of them after Desert Storm. Where did they go?
Several hundreds of cannisters/delivery modules capable of carrying chemicals or bio weapons, have been found since we invaded Iraq. The press largely
ignores this. More importantly we knew(pictures were published)that Saddam was moving materials from military storage sites by truck just before
scheduled UN inspections and this in the period when he knew we were going to invade. Why would he remove military material and send large parts of it
to Syria if he knew he was going to have to fight a battle with the USA, et al. Wouldn't logic tell us he would use it in defense or at least keep it
at hand?
Agree this whole chapter of political deception is a disgrace and reflects on the perfidy of the left and its shabby political leadership!
If there is nothing to morality but expressions of will, my morality can only be what my will creates.
Friederich Nietzsche
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Blackrain
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posted on 9-10-2006 at 12:57 AM
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I wonder, has anyone else read the report, and if so...what intel source are they talking about on pg 142-it doesn't sound like Curveball or an INC
source. This little tidbit-tucked away in the back of the report-could be a very Very big deal.
Thanks for the compliments everyone
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posted on 9-10-2006 at 03:47 AM
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Awesome rant Sam.
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posted on 9-10-2006 at 06:05 AM
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Blackrain, I'll see if I can figure that one out when I can get some time.
Rev
"The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage."
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